Porter, Berenson Lead CHN Honors

What a joke! It should just be called the CCHA first and second team.
Apr 1 2008, 10:45 pm by Melvin, Grand Forks

yeh no sheet. no oshie on this. clitsome is not that good.
Apr 1 2008, 11:05 pm by goon, Grand Forks

Well, goon, Clitsome is a D-man and Oshie is a forward - and the other D-man is a North Dakota player ... and Lamoureux is first-team goalie. So certainly nothing against the Sioux. Tough call on the forwards.
Apr 1 2008, 11:07 pm by CHN Editor

Melvin, there are 5 CCHA players, and 4 WCHA players on the two teams.
Apr 1 2008, 11:13 pm by CHN Editor

CHN Editor. I didn't write that was a troll posting under my moniker did. In fact I don't have a problem with Clitsome being on the team, I am not even sure I have seen him play this season other than the game against SCSU and Michigan so i am not sure I could make a judgement on his being on the team or not...
Apr 1 2008, 11:13 pm by The Real Goon, Grand Forks

Are you kidding? TJ Oshie is the most complete player in college hockey. Oh, but wait, CHN-USCHO-INCH are all the biased East Coast organizations. The incident back in December was a prejudical arrest. It will be dropped soon but his dignity will never be. It's a shame that the world banished this kid. We will see who dominates at the next level. Just like to West Coast teams in baseball never get the credit because everyone's sleeping out East before the games start. On top of that, I'd like to see the CCHA play night in and night out vs. the WCHA and it's officials. It is the old NHL refs that allow the b.s. and don't care just so every team has a chance every night. Oshie was mugged every night in his WCHA career. On top of that, UND had the toughest schedule the last 3 years. Too much is read into stats. Maybe you should actually watch footage of this kid. The kid has played injured the last 2.5 years. Flat out embarrassing.
Apr 2 2008, 8:01 am by The Next Goon, Grand Forks

I agree about the bias. Lamoureaux is a senior and I believe you have him listed as a Jr.
Apr 2 2008, 8:08 am by ticklethetwine, Hockeytown USA

I hope that is just an oversite and not a reflection of how much research you really looked into Does anyone smell a fish in here?.
Apr 2 2008, 8:12 am by ticklethetwine, Hockeytown USA

Did you just leave off a rookie from the rookie team that put up 50 points and led the nation in assists? Or did you mean Whitney when you wrote Wilson? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. That is hilarious.
Apr 2 2008, 8:35 am by Damone

Just to illustrate how lame this garbage is: ***************************************** Joe Whitney: 10G, 40A, 50 points. Highest scoring freshman in the country. Leads the country in assists. 6th in the country in scoring. A vital component to BC's power play this year which has helped them reach the FF. ***************************************** Max Pacioretty: 15G, 23A, 38 pts. Riley Nash: 12G, 20A, 32 pts. OMG, I can't believe Wodon picked a Cornell guy, this is shocking! Did not help his team qualify for the NCAAs. Colin Wilson: 12G, 23A, 35 pts. Did not help his team qualify for the NCAAs (heck, BU didn't even win the Beanpot this year!) **************************************** Where the heck is Carter Camper (15G, 26A, 41 pts) or Garrett Roe (18G, 27A, 45 pts)???? I'm fine with Pacioretty... Wilson and Nash are both good players but picking them over Whitney, Camper, and Roe is somewhere between retarded and braindead. God help you.
Apr 2 2008, 8:52 am by Damone

Ummm ... re: Nash vs. Whitney vs. Wilson. Whitney = good player. He had 10 goals on a team that scored 149. Nash had 12 goals on a team that scored 102. You guys can do the math on that one. Whitney, +7 on an NCAA team. Nash, +6 on a mediocre team. ... Meanwhile, Wilson was picked HEA Rookie of the Year - which means he beat out Whitney. ... So feel free to argue folks ... but I don't think that suggests any retardation or brain damage :) .... As for the "East Coast Bias" silliness - it ranks right up there with those conspiracy theories that will never die. But we've got 9 WCHA/CCHA players on the list, and 3 HEA/ECAC players on the list - not to mention 2 NoDak players on the list, so I'm not sure where the bias is being seen. We believed other players all had better years than Oshie. Feel free to argue on the merits - not on "East Coast Bias" that doesn't exist. Thanks all ... fun discussion, right?
Apr 2 2008, 9:18 am by CHN Editor

Kevin Regan is not the 4th best goalie in college hockey...sorry.
Apr 2 2008, 9:54 am by Matt Needham MA

HE Rookie of the Year only took into account league stats only, and they both had the same # of pts in the league (Wilson played in 2 fewer games so had a higher PPG). I don't believe that is the right way to do things using league points only, but that's how they do it. Hockey East also picked someone not named John Muse for HE all-rookie team at the goaltender position. Not exactly looking very credible. So I don't think we should necessarily use someone else's stupidity as a barometer for our own. Bottom line, Pacioretty is a fine selection but Whitney absolutely needs to be in there with 50 pts, leading the country in assists, 6th in the country in pt scoring. Nash is a complete joke, Wilson is a good chuckle. Get Whitney in there and pick one of Camper or Roe and you have yourself some respectable picks. What you have now is nothing more than some sad hilarity. Way to use Whitney's goals (10) and not assists (40) in your argument above to rationalize Nash's selection.
Apr 2 2008, 10:00 am by Damone

OK - use Whitney's assists too ... Nash 42 points for a team with 102 goals ... Whitney, 50 points for a team with 149 goals. ... do the math again :)
Apr 2 2008, 10:17 am by CHN Editor

No matter what math you do or how you spin it, leaving out the 6th leading scorer in the country off your list is 100% ridiculous. There is truly no way to spin this, although I can see you're trying and looking silly doing so. Using Wilson's ROY for the reason to pick him was hilarious. I'm betting you didn't even know they only use league numbers to pick those awards. TFF!
Apr 2 2008, 10:23 am by Matty (Maine)

All righty then. Hey, we love Whitney. We just tend to value goals much more than assists. And Wilson's plus-minus is better on a worse team. ... Hardly ridiculous. ... Keep on ripping though. I'm having fun :)
Apr 2 2008, 10:28 am by CHN Editor

Melvin, you need to chill sometimes. As proud as we all are of the Sioux, it is not a UND world with everyone else just living in it. With only two teams and many, many good players to choose from, you need to look at this as a wonderful compliment to the seasons that JPL and Chay gave us.
Apr 2 2008, 11:05 am by SJHovey

CHN Editor: The Oshie is the most complete player, bar none. If you were able to watch him night in and night out you'd realize his abilities are more then scoring goals which always seems to be the kicker in the post season teams. Ask Ryan Duncan, who Oshie passed him all those pucks the last two years. Not only passing him the puck but being the first guy to the puck, deking defenders, dragging defenders to the net then dishing back door to teammates. All for what? To help his team win every night and win a National Title. But, when you only feature CCHA and HEA teams all year long how would you know. There are no writers west of Michigan. But who cares, the most important stat is winning. Maybe you need to hire regional writers who witness the WCHA each weekend. Either way I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to.
Apr 2 2008, 12:09 pm by Pronger, Grand Forks

While I DO think that Oshie should have been included, I won't do so venomously. There's no point in insulting someone who made a simple list to start a discussion. Much of what here, though, is not discussion, but childish rant. Thanks to the CHN editors for taking the time to explain their ratioinale. I also believe Evan Trupp belonged on the all-rookie team, and maybe he would be had he not been injured late in the season. He is going to be one shockinly amazing player if he sticks around.
Apr 2 2008, 12:21 pm by Chris H, Grand Forks ND

Pronger ... I'm not sure what you're referring to. ... but just because I can't resist shooting down silly conspiracy theories ... Not only do we have writers West of Michigan - but we have 2 writers on staff that cover North Dakota regularly! But hey man, don't let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy :) ... Then you can head to our archives and search all of this year's articles: http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/archives.php and let me know how many there are from each conference this year. ... North Dakota has two players out of 12 on our list. Why do Sioux fans always feel so picked upon? ... By the way, Sioux fans are claiming we don't watch North Dakota enough (not true) - but how many of you have seen BU, BC, Michigan etc... play this year. All those players you're knocking are great two-way players with intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheet either. You defend your guys because you see them. Fans of every other team can say the same thing.
Apr 2 2008, 12:23 pm by CHN Editor

CHN Editor, I think the east coast bias exists when your website is pretty much devoted to all teams other than say WCHA teams. I try to be fairly reasonable but when I come to your site I see pictures and articles all about these other teams and mainly focusing on east coast teams. I understand that a good portion of your fan base may come from the east coast but it seems like most of the reporting on the site seems to be specific to east coast schools and this year Michigan in particular. That is what I am basing my opinion on.
Apr 2 2008, 12:39 pm by ticklethetwine, GF ND

OK - well, as I said, you can check the stats and you'll see how many articles there were for each conference, if you'd like. Your impressions are mistaken, and not supported by the actual statistics. ... People in the East think we're biased towards the West. ... Having worked in the newspaper sports business for 20 years, I can tell you that everyone thinks the media is biased against their team.
Apr 2 2008, 12:43 pm by CHN Editor

In the real world salesmen are judged by their sales managers by how much they sell. The numbers are what count. The guys that sell the most get the recognition. Same with this post season recognition. Oshie didn't have the numbers. In addition TJ Oshie has only one WCHA Play-off title under his belt for his three years at NOdak. If he were the super best, better than everybody else guy that NOdak fans say he is the Sioux would have more to show for his heroics. Pretty thin in the hardware department. But don't forget those Frozen Four defeats. No Hardware.Boo-Hoo TJ gets checked, TJ plays hurt. Big deal, so does everbody else playing college hockey. Hell he coundn't even outscore Phil Kessell as a Freshman. NOdak fans are such drama queens. Maybe TJ should stick around for one more year and maybe the rest of us will see the superior greatness of Oshie. By the numbers it really is a sorry argument that Oshie is more deserving than the players that were honored by CHN.
Apr 2 2008, 1:03 pm by 9>7

All biased aside, as i do believe this website does a good job keeping everything balanced, outta curiosity where was oshie in your considerations, now im not saying your wrong just wondering your reasoning as i feel your first team seems to be pretty accurate by me, however i was lookin at the second team, Pete Macarthur is tied in points with oshie however he has played one less game, but oshie has a 1 more gwg and 1 more shg, now they both are on teams with depth as both have made the frozen four however i would have guessed you might have gone with oshie because of the strength of schedule UND plays against, as well as he has been playing injured. Just what i saw when taking a quick look, anyways not saying ur biased or anything.
Apr 2 2008, 1:05 pm by Jason, MN

P.S. i love the stupidity of the comment above me by 9>7.
Apr 2 2008, 1:08 pm by Jason, MN

Really, people, I don't think this list is biased at all. I think it's a really good APRIL FOOLS joke !!
Apr 2 2008, 1:14 pm by Pete, Minn.

Wodon said: "All those players you're knocking are great two-way players with intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheet either. " That funny. Because a few hours ago you were grasping at literally any statistic that you could find to validate your picks on the rookie team.
Apr 2 2008, 1:17 pm by Matty (Maine)

Oshie, Oshie, Oshie. Quit your crying already. He's a great player, so are the other guys on the list. It is a subjective opinion. If you don't like it then get your own website and show nothing but Oshie and Sioux stuff all the time. I'm sure it will be quite a hit. You guys sound just like the cheeseheads that fawn over Favre ad nauseum.
Apr 2 2008, 1:22 pm by JM, Minneapolis

If I had a nickel for every time a whining Sioux fan made excuses for Oshie because he played hurt I'd have a lot of nickels. Maybe he should heal up and come back next year. If he turns pro what will be the excuse in St. Louis if he isn't rookie of the year? Oh yeah, he plays hurt. Plus everybody in the league hangs all over him. Recognition is for results. Peter McArthur scored more goals. Garrett Roe is more deserving than Oshie too. Toews was better too.
Apr 2 2008, 1:35 pm by 9>7

This is a discussion, JM and 9>7. That's what people in the sports world do: they discuss differences of opinion. You two, on the other hand, do not discuss. In fact, for all the "whining" you seem to be pointing out, you two are the greatest whiners on this thread.
Apr 2 2008, 1:57 pm by Chris H, Grand Forks ND

Oshie was robbeb will be the new Panzer was robbed, updated to 2008. I'm not whining, I'm having fun watching the contortions Fighting Sioux fans put themselves through in their pleading on behalf of TJ Oshie. I think he is a pretty good hockey player but I've seen enough of him to know that he isn't nearly as accomplished as Fighting Sioux fans delude themselves into thinking. You can always count on a Fighting Sioux fan to crap all over the accomplishments of players from other teams, even when their guy (Oshie) doesn't measure up. King of the intangibles. But he plays hurt, just like Panzer did when he got screwed.
Apr 2 2008, 2:06 pm by 9>7

Is this a late April fools joke!!. And the real awards will be posted on your site next week. No love for lasch or oshie??? MacAthur who??...Clitsome haha and your rookie team Nash ??? Wheres Roe.... Maybe next time you will actually pick a legit 1st 2nd and rookie team. Its a good thing your a sportswriter
Apr 2 2008, 2:08 pm by Minnesota

8 of Oshies 18 goals came against Michigan Tech, Anchorage and Duluth. That is 44% of his scoring came against weak competition. A full 1/3 (6 of 18 goals)were scored against Michigan Tech. Sounds like a Hobey like season to me.
Apr 2 2008, 2:15 pm by Stats

is this the same Lasch who had no shots against clitsome and clarkson?
Apr 2 2008, 2:20 pm by Phil, White Plains

you gotta be fricking kidding me NO OSHIE on either team ????? 9>7 oshie does not MEASURE UP " I think he is a pretty good hockey player but I've seen enough of him to know that he isn't nearly as accomplished as Fighting Sioux fans delude themselves into thinking." 9>7 if you new what your talking about it would be a miracle. CHN editor come on cant you come up with a better explanation why not just tell the truth if their in the WCHA their not CHIT according to you
Apr 2 2008, 2:56 pm by SARGE, MN

Oh sorry Chris H, I'm so glad you're here to explain to us what "people in the sports world do." I would never have guessed. So what else do PITSW do? Do they admonish every opinion that is counter to their own like you do? Do they scan this site's stories looking for any sign of injustice to the mighty Sioux so they can crush the poor dissenter like you do? Do they wear green and white pajamas to bed in their mom's basement like you do? Please, enlighten us.
Apr 2 2008, 2:58 pm by JM, Minneapolis

The man love coming from ND towards T.J. Okie is priceless! I've never heard more crying about a 45 point player....ever! What will Sioux fans do when he leaves??? HA. What a joke!
Apr 2 2008, 3:07 pm by Francis, St. Louis, MO

9 > 7 do you realized what you just said? UND has ended Michigan's season 2 years in a row and UND gone to the frozen four three years in a row, now counting this trip is on to their fourth year in a row. On the other hand Michigan hasn't been there since 2003. However, all three teams are stuffed full of Michigan B.C and BU players, I think the only reason they put some C.C. and UND players on their all-star teams why to try to present the image that they are not biased. So I think one could make the argument that Oshie is more decorated than Jones or Porter.
Apr 2 2008, 3:13 pm by Title Town, GF ND

maybe the only reason they put BU and BC players on was to make it look like they weren't biased towards them
Apr 2 2008, 3:14 pm by Phil, White Plains

These were posted by Adam Wodon earlier in the season about T.J. Oshie and the Hobey Baker race on CSTV.com: "Against a much tougher schedule than anyone else high on the list, Oshie still gets my nod as No. 1 for the season he's having so far. I stick to these guns unless proven otherwise, and Porter's numbers, while nice, aren't enough to persuade compared to Oshie's all-around game. We'll see how it plays out in the long run." "It's getting increasingly difficult filling out the top 5, but I still think when the dust settles, he's the one helping his team most, and North Dakota will be there in the end as usual." Wooden LOVES Oshie! Are you ND fans crazy??? The fact of the matter is that he didn't get the job done. 45 points in any league is a good season, not a great season.
Apr 2 2008, 3:15 pm by Phil, Minneapolis

SJHovery, the love that CHN gives B.C. and Miami and Michigan is silly...
Apr 2 2008, 3:19 pm by Boris Yeltson, GF ND

phil...thats a weird way to show how much love he has for a player...to not put him on either team...with love like that i hope he never hates anybody
Apr 2 2008, 3:25 pm by SARGE, MN

Correction to the All-CHN team. Our apologies for the misprint.
F T.J. Oshie, North Dakota
F T.J. Oshie, North Dakota
F T.J. Oshie, North Dakota
D T.J. Oshie, North Dakota
D T.J. Oshie, North Dakota
G T.J. Oshie, North Dakota

Player of the Year: T.J. Oshie, North Dakota
Rookie of the Year: T.J. Oshie, North Dakota
Coach of the Year: T.J. Oshie, North Dakota

P.S. :)
Apr 2 2008, 3:26 pm by Mike Machnik, CHN

Title Town: Let me help you out in the analogy dept. Sales success is measured in sales closed. Sports success is measured in tangible results. ie: Statistics. The silly contortions you put forth on TJ Oshie's behalf are truly embarassing. He scored 12 goals in conference action this season. Six of those goals were against Michigan Tech. That means he got his other five goals against the other eight teams in the WCHA. If you really think that is worthy of All American honors you sure do have a low standard for excellence. Keeping with the Sue tradition of flaunting how many NC's the Sue have 9>7 is all that matters. Get ready to get bounced by BC, again.
Apr 2 2008, 3:31 pm by 9>7

"Do they admonish every opinion that is counter to their own like you do? " JM -- No, JM, that's what YOU do, and I was pointing it out. Now, can I get you some salve to put on that thin, hypersensitive skin of yours? Grow up. Or, should I say, "stop whining." Geez, get a life.
Apr 2 2008, 3:50 pm by Chris H, Grand Forks ND

Hey 9>7, after UND takes care of BC, It will be the Sioux that end Michigans season, again! That is if you get past the other pathetic CCHA team in the Frozen Four!
Apr 2 2008, 3:59 pm by Old Time Hockey, GF

Regarding the alleged east coast bias of CHN (which of course is entirely untrue), I have the numbers for those of you who didn't want to look them up. Since August, not including conference/tournament previews/bracket analyses, there have been 26 articles written on Boston College and 22 on North Dakota (many more to come on each of these teams in the next two weeks, of course). The suggestion that CHN gives more love to Miami and Michigan is not supported by the numbers either -- 13 articles on Miami this year, 19 on Michigan. There have also been 19 written on Minnesota, which is more than the number of articles on New Hampshire (9), BU (13), Michigan State (6), and Cornell (9). There have been 12 on CC and 16 on Denver. 13 on ECAC champs, Princeton. Really, it's pretty spread out if you look at the numbers. But North Dakota is second to only BC in the number of CHN features written this season -- and the difference is only 4 (chalk that up to the Beanpot).
Apr 2 2008, 4:16 pm by Avash Kalra, CHN

9 > 7 does it matter to you that Michigan's Porter had a whole season of stuffing/paddig his stats at the expense of cup cakes in the CCHA. Oh yeah 4 goals against NU in the regional isn't that impressive, that was the CHA's welfare bid for the NCAA tourney. However, the so called media pundits have all but given Porter the Hobey. By the Way when it is all said and done Oshie has finished each season the last three years higher than Porter. Bouncing Porter's team two years in a row. But none of that matters. So keep spewing what you are shoveling Lastly, If I remember right Michigan was able to score one stinking goal against Michigan tech. The same team that beat MSU and UND.
Apr 2 2008, 4:18 pm by GF ND

9>7: with your salesmen analogy, you say that the business is all about the numbers and the salesman that sells most wins, would it be the same if two salesmen were were competing to see who could sell more and one was sent to africa to sell while one could sell in, say, Manhattan? Kevin Porter scored on no one all year
Apr 2 2008, 5:07 pm by dan st cloud

Talk about beating up on the cup-cakes: Here are Oshie's goals this year: v. MSU-1 v.Mich. Tech-6 v.Anchorage-2 v.CC-1 v.DU-1 v.Mankato-0 v.Bemidji-0 v.Wisconsin-1 v.Minnesota-1 v.UMD-2 v.St. Cloud-1 v.UNH-1 Kind of looks to me as though TJ feasted on cupcakes and disappeared against the tough teams. The numbers don't lie. Oh and regarding your recent run of futility in the Frozen Four, the chest thumping about getting there only to lose (again) sounds like going home with no hardware to me. Soon to be a third liner on the Blues. Sue fans sure get a lot of mileage pumping up almost winning the big one while at the same time not winning league or playoff titles.
Apr 2 2008, 5:26 pm by 9>7

Clitsome whoo
Apr 2 2008, 5:39 pm by Go Blue

Dan in St. Cloud: CCHA=Africa. good one. You must be a humanities major. Sorry if the Sales analogy was over your head. Usually in sales organizations sales reps will be competing against other sales reps within their or-gan-i-za-tion. I can say with a fair amount of certainty that a sales manager would have measurable criteria in order to reasonably compare sales reps operating in different territories (leagues) Who knows, maybe Africa might be a better territory than Manhatten. But for the sake of argument lets suppose they were both condom salesman. Both would have excellent territories. The rep that sells the most still gets the recognition. Same with who puts up the numbers in college hockey and who doesn't. Keep working on that first NCAA win champ, It will happen some day.
Apr 2 2008, 5:41 pm by 9>7

We are all getting too excited. Kid should have been in the Top 10 of forwards. Oh, that's right, Oshie just had 3 points vs. Michigan as a Freshman in a 5-2 beating at the Ralph then turned around his sophomore campaign and lit up Sauer for a "Hattie" + 1 assist where your Hobey Baker brat, the other T.J., *****ed and whined until he got a misconduct that destroyed the morale of his team then Oshie single handedly won the draw, blocked a shot then stuff home an empty netter sending Hensick to the NHL w/o a sniff of a Nattie. That's 7 points in 2 games vs. your powerhouse Michigan program. On top of that, he goes for 3 points in the Frozen Four vs. BC. Kid is a big-game player. He has 4g + 6a = 10 pts in 7 games where UND has scored 18 goals so far. Against WCHA teams but one in Princeton.
Apr 2 2008, 5:47 pm by The Next Goon, Grand Forks

Just thought I'd let you guys know that you did a horrible job in picking these teams. Your better than that come on.
Apr 2 2008, 5:47 pm by Joe Friday

I think 9>7 is still a little grumpy over the way his teams last two seasons have ended. I heard there was a celebration in Ann Arbor when you guys found out you didn't have UND in your bracket. thats priceless stuff.
Apr 2 2008, 6:02 pm by Matt

Mike, that was a good one!!! I love it :-)).
Apr 2 2008, 6:05 pm by Pete, Minn.

Everyone involved in this argument is stupid
Apr 2 2008, 6:15 pm by Jason, Fargo, ND

Thanks CHN for lighting even a bigger fire under Oshie's skates. I'm sure BC and UM/ND will greatly appreciate that.
Apr 2 2008, 6:52 pm by Jeff, Fargo

No Oshie, wow this website has lost all its credibility. What a joke
Apr 2 2008, 7:07 pm by

BUT WHAT ABOUT BLAKE WHEELER I MEAN HELLO COME ON!!!!
Apr 2 2008, 9:19 pm by Borders, Fargo, ND

9>7 is true enough, although if we are talking about the most recent 50 years in college hockey, then 7>3 -- BY A BUNCH! Welcome back to the tourney after your long hiatus, Wolverines! The Fighting Sioux would love to retire their emblem (it is NOT a 'logo,' people) and badge of honor with another resounding defeat of the 'other' U of M under their belt. I am certain they also look forward to exorcising any BC demons that might find their way to The Pop Can.
Apr 2 2008, 9:28 pm by Sioux_Me, Grand Forks

Give me some of the kool-aid u and adam wooden are on there CHN editor. I sure could use some with the teams you picked. GOod thing inside college hockey...... you get hte picture.
Apr 2 2008, 10:33 pm by The Real Goon, Grand Forks

Jeff, Lighting a fire under T.J's skates? Over some internet banter? Wow. You can't be serious. Why don't you run a print out and pass it along. Then you can pat yourself on the back for playing a role in the title run. Too bad about that Hobey Hattrick snub. Oshie was robbed, Lammy was robbed, Panzer was robbed. The guy that really got robbed was Jonathon Toews last season. Maybe Oshie will stick around another year for one last shot.
Apr 3 2008, 10:48 am by 9>7

why was Mark Olver left off the all rookie team? he had 21goals on a team that scored 116. I'll do the math for you. Thats 18% vs 12% for riley nash, 8% for wilson, and 9% for pacioretty. Olver also had 17 assists (i know these dont matter apparently). His 38 points are 32% of his teams 116 goals, compared to 31% for Nash, 26% for wilson, and 23% for pacioretty "OK - use Whitney's assists too ... Nash 42 points for a team with 102 goals ... Whitney, 50 points for a team with 149 goals. ... do the math again :)" these facts are wrong. Nash has 32 points, making whitney's 34% higher than all of the people listed above.
Apr 3 2008, 4:35 pm by steve, boston

Personally I think the staff at CHN and INCH is very biased, has a love affair with Miami, MIchigan, B.C. BU and has a very tough time seeing anything west of the Mississippi River or the CCHA unless it is a big ten school. They hired a UND writer or two to gain a little bit of credibility because they got beat up so bad last year by some of the WCHA fans.
Apr 3 2008, 6:36 pm by Donald-Want-a-Be, Fargo, ND

That's very funny. What is your "evidence" of this, dare I ask?
Apr 3 2008, 7:08 pm by CHN Editor

Did this site have any credibility before this? If not, now it has negative credibility. I'll go back to reading the team's sports-info-made-sites for more objective analysis.
Apr 3 2008, 7:39 pm by DJ, Boston

CLITSOME FOR PRESIDENT!
Apr 3 2008, 10:53 pm by Techer, Ann Arbor Mich

D.J. this site makes for nice gee whiz reading but it can't claim to be objective, I don't know how it could. I mean seriously they are no different than ESPN. Love the east coast and CCHA teams... I haven't heard one person question Miami's strenght of schedule and how they went 9-3-1 against the TUC but the WCHA teams all were in the 30+ games against the TUC.
Apr 3 2008, 10:58 pm by Fargo, ND

This is what a respectable set of journalists picked: INCH Bachman, G Fairchild, D Petry, D Roe, F Whitney, F Camper, F You poor guys got owned. I know, Adam, I know... I don't have a stat to back it up so how can it be true then?
Apr 4 2008, 8:09 am by Matty (Maine)

Roe, Whitney and Camper are all great players. No problem with those three. We had Wilson, Pacioretty and Nash - three NHL First Rounders. Which frankly doesn't mean anything when picking college teams, but just sayin' :) ... I know, let's play 3-on-3 among those 6 and see who wins. Maybe that would settle it :)
Apr 4 2008, 9:31 am by CHN Editor

See INCH yet, great minds over there. Picked the correct people so far for everything. Please learn from them. Thanks
Apr 4 2008, 12:29 pm by Joe Friday

All the authors need to do is admit they are biased. Then it is what it is, a fan's opinion. Just don't try to pass it off as journalism. 3 NHL first rounders? Why even mention it if you admit that's a lame excuse. I also dont get why how good or bad someone's team is should matter. If I'm the best scorer on my intramural team, am I in the running? I've never seen such poor logic used to defend a biased pick before. SO this site is inferior because of either A) poor logic, or B) bias. Which is it?
Apr 4 2008, 2:23 pm by DJ, Boston

The selections are reflective of our staff and others who were polled, who represent a cross-section of the country. ... They are, by nature, people's opinion. We're not aware of an objective process for selecting all-America teams. Perhaps we can put our heads together and create a KRACH/Pairwise for Individual Players. ... Clearly, there are many comments here from people upset their favorite team/player was overlooked. That's great. We thank you for coming here and raising our readership with every view. ... I hope you've all enjoyed the discussion, and I have no doubt the personal attacks will stop.
Apr 4 2008, 3:19 pm by CHN Editor

I actually have no agenda as my favorite team did not have a player worthy. I just noticed after reading many comment that it appears there was not one, but many player who were probably better arguments for the team. That hurts the quality of this website. I in no way meant any 'personal attacks'. However, at first the 'editor' defended the picks with weak stats and arguments. That is of course going to stir the pot more. I believe one of the stats was even off by 10 points. That kind of mis-information (or typo?) also didnt help.
Apr 4 2008, 3:36 pm by DJ, Boston

DJ ... We feel that it's usually better to participate in the conversation, rather than just let it go. It's our philosophy that readers appreciate that, as opposed to "journalists" staying behind their wall. ... Unfortunately, this also sometimes leads to those responses being further criticized, misunderstood, or one's foot being stuck in one's mouth -- as was the case with the senile comment regarding Nash's point totals (no excuse there - was just trying to defend our staff). ... At this point, we will likely be shutting down comments on this thread, because they have reached far beyond the point of productivity. ... These teams are opinion by nature. We like to hope they stir fun discussion, not unnecessary nonsense. ... Enjoy the FF.
Apr 4 2008, 3:43 pm by CHN Editor

Fair enough. The responses are appreciated. Banter and discussion is better than none.
Apr 4 2008, 3:52 pm by DJ, Boston

CHN lost all creditability with the All-Rookie list. From now on I'll just look at INCH and USCHO. You must listen to the "terrific" analyst on ESPNU for your info. Or maybe, just look at the nhl draft list. either way, it's a complete joke. no roe, after what he did in the wcha is comical. dittto for whitney and camper. Obviously, you didn't watch McDonagh this year either. Peter M of BU.... pretty funny too. What year did you graduate from there? As for 3vs3.... roe, whitney, camper by a landslide
Apr 4 2008, 9:48 pm by Blake, Madison, Wi.